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Date: 2001-08-26
cu_spook3: Antwort an das Home Office-.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.- Bürokraten aus dem britischen Innenministerium, der in den einschlägigen ETSI-Arbeitsgruppen mindestens seit 1997 sein Wesen treibt. Tipp: Je weiter man hinunterkommt, desto lustiger wirds. Ob es den in diesem Mail/wechsel öfter erwähnten "Theo Metzger" beim deutschen Telekom-Regulationsbüro wirklich gibt, wird in einer der nexten q/depeschen zu lesen sein. Vorgeschichte I http://www.quintessenz.at/archiv/msg01588.html Vorgeschichte II http://www.quintessenz.at/archiv/msg01589.html bzw.http://www.quintessenz.at/archiv/msg01590.html [Hier hat sich ein kleiner Fehler im Online-Tool eingeschlichen, der am Wochenende nicht korrigierbar war und hoffentlich bald msg01589 und msg 01590 wieder vereint] -.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.- From: Erich M <me@erich-moechel.com> To: R R Thorogood <106154.2246@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: LSE Forum on Surveillance by Design Date sent: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:18:20 +0200 On 11 Oct 00, at 9:07, R R Thorogood added to the bitstream: > Was it Gus Hosein who said at the start of his presentation "there are > three rules of presentations" ? > > I believe there are four - the first of which is "read the delegate > list". > > You were obviously not aware that in the audience there were three members > of the ETSI Lawful Interception drafting group and one member of the > ILETS/PCWG group. Dear Mr. Thorogood, May assure you that I knew that you were there with your colleagues Tom Johnston et al from ETSI Workgroup "Lawful Interception" whilst you represented the Police Coordination Working Group and the International Law Enforcement Telecom Seminars [ILETS] without saying it publicly. > We saw the ETSI document on the screen in which you quoted the HI1 as > being the access point for the law enforcement authorities (plural).You > construed this as being the LEAs world wide. This is not what it says. It > is the LEAs in country. The so called "International User Requirements" in Version ETSI ETR 331 December 1996, Page 7, say: "This ETSI Technical Report ... provides a set of requirements relating to handover interfaces for the interception by law enforcement and state security agencies". "State security agencies", Mr Thorogood, not only police, as all this talk about "lawfulness" and only police being involved always suggests: That was the point of my speech. It is in a publicly available document on the ETSI server. There must have been quite a few downloads from destinations worldwide of this very document since I detected that [and numerous other] infamous passages pretty early this year. So there would be no use erasing that now. All interception interfaces described in the ETSI SEC Workgroup Lawful Interception documents are multi user interfaces. I am sure that you are aware of the mutual legal assistance treaty EU member states signed May 29 2000. It is yet unpublished but I am sure that you are as well in possession of document COPEN 32 [last draft]. This treaty regulates interception matters across European borders, so foreign LEAs [and certain agencies] will be enabled to get access to interception interfaces in all kind of routing and switching equipment. > The IUR has always included the requirement for location information. It was the IUR from 1996 I showed. The IUR Versions before ETSI ETR 331, Dec 1996 did not include location explicitly. > > My colleague Theo Metzger if definitely a member of RegTP - he has phone, > fax and e-mails addresses there and I have been in his office. Suggest you > visit Mainz and check. This is great news, I think Mr. Metzger should inform also the staff at the telefone switch boards of the German Telecom Regulation Offices in Mainz and Saarbruecken of his existence. They did not know a person of this name whenm I called them in July. I would appreciate very much if you could hand me over his extension so I could ask him for a statement I really could need for the publication of my dossier. I could do that as well during the ETSI SEC Lawful Interception Working Group meeting on November 22 in Mainz, if I should be invited to participate. BTW: I tried to contact you without success on a UK fone number 0044207.....64 [As this e-mail goes unprotected I erase some of the numbers] I found in another ETSI document. Is this outdated, maybe? > Hope this helps. I do hope so as well. Yours sincerely I remain Erich Moechel -.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.- - -.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.- edited by Harkank published on: 2001-08-26 comments to office@quintessenz.at subscribe Newsletter - -.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.- 
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